| TOM RAY - 06/10/99 05:05:24 My Email:harley4ray@mcia.com Subject: air cleaner |
Comments: NEED TO CONTACT "MIKE K." (VB702) ABOUT HIS CONVERSION FROM 4" STOCK AIR CLEANER INLET TO 6", THIS SOUND VERY INTERESTING SINCE I HAVE TO REPLACE THE INTAKE HOSE FROM THE CAT AIR CLEANER TO THE OUTSIDE AIR BOX ANYWAY. IF YOU ARE OUT THERE MIKE, HOW ABOUT AN EMAIL AND EXPLAINING THIS PROCESS TO ME. THANKS IN ADVANCE. TOM RAY |
| Palmer Savoy - 06/07/99 17:15:16 My Email:boniceel@eatel.net Subject: 1978 Bluebird Cat 6Spd |
Comments: Someone please tell me what the 1978 Bluebird Cat engine (Turbo)6 speed Transmission 33ft.new tires and rims all new replaced generic appliances and upholstry should/could be worth . question any idear what a major overhaul on diesel engine could run Please comment thanks we can't affird new and are trying to get into one of these jewels . thank you.........Palmer T Savoy |
| R.E. (Ron) Marabito - 05/27/99 20:33:37 My Email:102331.3205@compuserve.com Subject: Digital alarm clock |
Comments: I need a replacement for the bedroom digital alarm clock. The coach is a 1983 PT-40 Wanderlodge. The clock was produced by PMMI. They no longer have access to the LED readout panel. Can anyone help? Thank you. R.E. (Ron) Marabito VB#980 |
| Jeff - 05/25/99 21:01:46 My Email:jamiller@iserv.net Subject: Hot Water |
Comments: The original water heater is a "motoraid" type which has radiator coolant running through a heat exchanger in the tank to heat the water. The water in the tank will get to scalding while driving in hot weather. The coolant should always be circulating through the water heater but there are water valves beneath the coach to shut-off the rear heaters and water heater. make sure that these valves are open, hopefully they are not closed because of a leak. If they re open, lift the bed with the engine warm and see if the hoses to the water heater and rear automotive heater are warm/hot. There are also two push-pull knobs under the bed area which operate valves in the system via cable. These should be one in and one out for winter operation, the other one in/out for summer. The labels might be gone. I think that these could interrupt flow if in the wrong position. |
| Jeff - 05/25/99 20:55:59 My Email:jamiller@iserv.net Subject: 1976 BlueBird |
Comments: I believe that the '76 should have a Ford gasoline engine, or a late one could have a 3208 Cat diesel, the DD engine has probably been added. As far as things to look for, scroll down this page and there are some suggestions for older FCs, they are among the simplest mechanically and electrically however and most of the expensive parts are the running gear and major appliances. |
| Jeff - 05/25/99 20:51:37 My Email:jamiller@Iserv.net Subject: Gauge Access |
Comments: Without year information it is tough to answer. You can call BlueBird Wanderlodge at 800 992-6337 and ask for Russel or contact me with model year and I'll find the answer for you. |
| The Wathens - 05/24/99 21:53:16 My Email:matraining@mindspring.com Subject: Hot Water |
Comments: My husband and I have just returned from our 2nd week-end outing in our 'new' '77 35' Wanderlodge with a Cat diesel. We have been without electric hook-ups both week-ends and the only way we have gotten hot water is to run the generator. The manual is n t clear, but it appears that there is a way for the the engine to heat water in transit. How do we do this? We've had other motorhomes - other makes - newer, older, but we are really pleased with our Wanderlodge! Any other comments about this year, mode will be appreciated. |
| Tom Fisher - 05/23/99 19:05:01 My Email:tbfisher@home.com Subject: Bluebird BMC |
Comments: I have been following a 1994(?) Bluebird BMC 38ft(?) that has been advertised since 2/99. When I first looked at it in Feb, the fellow was asking $189K and it appeared to be in good shape. When I look at the NADA guide, there is no 38' 1994 model listed, nly a 1995 37' BMC. Now the asking price has been lowered to $135K. Does anyone know what might be going on here? Also, what price would be considered a good buy? Thanks, Tom Fisher |
| R.E. (Ron) Marabito - 05/21/99 17:22:11 My Email:102331.3205&compuserve.com Subject: Alarm Clock |
Comments: I am need of a replacement digital alarm clock for the bedroom panel for a 1983 PT-40 Wanderlodge. Can anyone help. The supplier PMMI no longer has the LED panel. |
| David West - 05/20/99 16:20:08 My Email:snafu37@iserv.net Subject: 1976 Bluebird |
Comments: I am looking at the possible purchase of a 76 Wanderlodge with Detroit Diesel and about 160k for miles. It is 35' and the interior has been completely redone. Is there anything to avoid or to watch out for? The price is under 19,000 and seems like a very ood buy. Also, any place that I might be able to obtain info on this bird would be much appreciated....Thanx for any help you may give, David |
| Jimmy Walker - 05/14/99 02:42:10 My Email:jwalk@pdq.net Subject: guage access |
Comments: I would like information on access to guages such as amp meter, tachometer etc., Thanks for any help. |
| Jeff - 05/05/99 12:52:52 My Email:jamiller@iserv.net Subject: Battery Drain |
Comments: You might try disconnecting the batteries entirely (negative side first). It is possible that there is a shorted or partially shorted battery cell which is causing the problem. You can also have them tested with a specific gravity type tester, this should indicate a bad battery. If they stay charged when disconnected, you will have to find out what is connected before the shut-off switch. Look first for wires connected to the battery directly, other than the heavy cables, and for wires connected to the junction stud, and the back of the disconnect switch. To find out what should be connected before the disconnect switch, or for schematics, call Blue Bird Wanderlodge at 800 992-6337 and Kenny or Russel can help you or send you the schematics. Also, some Wanderlodges have two battery disconnect switches, be sure that you switch them both. |
| J. Walker - 05/02/99 03:29:46 My Email:jmwalk@pdq.net Subject: Battery Drain |
Comments: Trying to find cause for battery drain with switch off. Batteries dead overnight. I guess I need 12 volt system wire diagram. Any suggestions? |
| TOM RAY - 04/30/99 08:21:36 My Email:harley4ray@mcia.com Subject: JAKE BRAKES |
Comments: HAS ANYONE OUT THERE EVER INSTALLED A RETARDER BRAKE SYSTEM ON THEIR BIRD? IF SO, HOW MUCH TROUBLE WAS IT? WHAT DID IT COST? IF NOT, AND YOU HAD IT INSTALLED, BY WHO, HOW MUCH, AND FINALLY ---- ON MY '82 35' FC WITH 3208 AND ALLISON TRANS. , DO I NEED T IN THE MOUNTAINS? IF I GET ALL THE BUGS IRONED OUT (JUST GOT IT IN SEPT. 98) BY THEN, WE ARE GOING UP INTO THE DAKOTAS IN AUGUST. WE LIVE IN EAST TEXAS AND I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS 25K+ WEIGHT COMPARED WITH MY OLD COACHMEN THAT WEIGHED ONLY 8K IN THE MOUNTAINS. I HAVE SEVERAL OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT WILL THROW THOSE OUT LATER. THANKS, TOM |
| Steven Dekosky - 04/29/99 04:33:46 My Email:sdekosky@home.com Subject: NEED APPLICATION |
Comments: I was unable to send an email to djmck@tiac.net inorder to request an application to join the Vintage Birds Chapter of FMCA. Please send an application. I purchased a BB Wanderlodge 1990 SP and wanted to join a forum that specializes in birds. Thanks, Steve and Heather Dekosky |
| Jeff - 04/21/99 12:26:45 My Email:jamiller@iservREMOVE.net Subject: Dutch Door Radiator |
Comments: Brad: I had a "Dutch Door" swing radiator installed by Holland Motorhomes (800 221-7197) where they have done these for many years. They manufacture many of their own parts for the conversion. You could call and ask about buying parts and drawings. The mechanic there tells me that there is also a source in TX. Blue Bird later started installing the swing radiator at the factory, you can call Kenny there at 912 822-2360 / 800 992-2360. The normal price that I've seen for the installation is around $800-$900. Good luck. |
| Brad Rath - 04/20/99 23:59:16 My Email:brath@wans.net Subject: Swing away radiator |
Comments: MrTimJG@aol.com wrote: if you look under the front of the coach under the radiator, there should be hinges on the bottom edge of the bumper , and the transmisson lines going in the bottom of the radiator will be flexible Mr. Tim, I do appreciate your expertise and your willingness to answer some basic questions. The "Dutch Door" option just became an important topic to me. My '84 35' FC doesn't appear to have one. What it does have is a constant engine coolant drip from the face of the engine. I took it to a shop recommended by the U S Army here in San Antonio that does a lot of work on Blue Bird transport type busses. The mechanic and I both agreed that it is probably the water pump. It is extremely difficult to see in there even with an inspection mirror. They are going to tear into it over the next week or so (money is a great concern to me so I told them to give it a low priority in order to gain a little discount). I asked if they were familiar with the Dutch Door or swing away radiator and the owner said he had seen one but had no idea where it came from. He said he would ask a Bluebird supplier in Denton, TX if he had any info. I recall from somewhere that the swing away radiator was a locally manufactured modification. Since the front end is already going to be dismantled it might make sense to install it now. My question is: Where do I get the specifications / parts/ drawings to show to the shop working on my Wanderlodge. Thanks again for your time and help. Brad Rath |
| Jeff - 04/20/99 18:57:28 My Email:jamiller@IservREMOVE.net Subject: Power Steering |
Comments: Try changing your fluid, old contaminated fluid can sometimes cavitate in this way. If this doesn't solve it, it is possible that your pump is wearing out as this sound is typical of older pumps. |
| Tim - 04/19/99 22:59:05 My Email:mrtimjg@aol.com Subject: steering |
Comments: double clamping the return hose at the pump and the reservoir usually will take care of this problem,but the hoses need to be in good shape,and the belt needs to be banjo string tight.The steering system bleeds itsself so there is no bleeder |
| Mark Walker - 04/19/99 01:52:51 My Email:mwalker422@aol.com Subject: Power Steering |
Comments: I have an 83 FC. My power steering sounds like it has air in the system. I did not find a bleed plug on the steering box. Has anyone had this problem? Please help. |
| Jeff - 04/08/99 03:56:12 My Email:jamiller@iservREMOVE.net Subject: lotso ??? |
Comments: The "Dutch Door" is simply a swing radiator on an FC. If you have one you will see hinges on the underside of your front bumper. The bumper must be unbolted and swung down, the center exterior grille removed, and then the radiator unbolted to allow it to wing out on its hinges while still connected. If you don't have one, I feel that it's worth the money to have one installed. E-Mail me if you need more info, remove the REMOVE. |
| Tim - 04/08/99 02:19:37 My Email:Mrtimjg @aol.com Subject: ?????? |
Comments: OK... the tank is the hydralic leveling reservior, dont remove it...the lights are cornering lights that come on with the turn signals....there's only the microb water filter...with the valve under the lavatory with the green handle open and the water pu p on,it will pump the tank dry, the knob in the door in the side of the bed that reads tank drain, is the gravity drain. You'll just have to improvise repairs to the kool a matic vent |
| Brad Rath - 04/08/99 00:26:26 My Email:brath@wans.net Subject: Lots of questions |
Comments: My family has had a wonderful first outing but it has left me with a lot of questions that aren't in the owner's manual. We have an '84 35'FC. 1. I can't find the water filter. I have the manufacturer's sheet for a disposable cartridge water filter, the owner's manual says it should be under the sink. There is a "micro bacterial" filter under the sink but it is not the type that uses a cartri ge. Also under the sink is the instant hot water tank. 2. The step has a hinged panel that opens to reveal a metal plate held by 4 screws. I removed the screws and plate and found a screw-on cap for some type of tank. I suspect that it is an oil holding tank for some kind of pneumatic oil dispensing system that the previous owner said was disconnected. If that is what the tank is for can I just remove it? 3. How widespread is the problem of the hood internal aluminum support braces on the Kool-O-Matic ceiling fan cracking? I took the exterior hood off and every support brace save one had failed. Kool-O-Matic wanted $166 for a whole new exterior hood. T ey won't sell a kit to just repair the aluminum struts. It is my opinion that the thing is made out of aluminum that is WAY too light for it's operating environment. I think this is a manufacturing defect. 4. On each side of the coach, near the front bumper is a rectangular clear light mounted on the faces of the forewardmost "basement" access doors. What do these lights do and how do you turn them on? 5. The back up camera turns into a TV when the ignition is shut off but I can't figure out how to get sound out of it. I have turned the pull on switch marked "sound" but it doesn't do anything. 6. How do I tell if I have "dutch doors"? 7. The owner's manual outlines a proceedure to empty the fresh water tank by pumping the water through a discharge valve located under the lavatory sink. It doesn't mention a cable operated valve co-located with the water heater fill / drain valve under the bed. This valve is labeled "Fresh water drain open / closed". What does this valve do? Thanks in advance for any help in unravelling any of these mysteries. Brad Rath |
| Warren Cook - 04/06/99 21:02:42 My Email:Hotfoot2@aol.com Subject: Pergo floors |
Comments: I have visited several people in the past with older coaches (1979 33'FC) like mine...Most have replaced the floors with a new covering...As I go to a number of dog shows each year, it is time for the old carpeting to go away to something better - suited o my needs...My local installer says that Pergo is a no - go, so I am open to suggestions...Also, of some concern, is the percentage of sound/temperature dampening that the current carpet plays in the overall vehicle...I do not wish to drive a rolling ech chamber down the road, die-ing of heatstroke. Thanks, in advance, Warren Cook |
| Jeff - 03/30/99 17:19:35 My Email:jamiller@iservREMOVE.net Subject: Bad Year? |
Comments: The 1981 Wanderlodge FC was the same All-American body, the same 210hp Caterpillar 3208, the same allison trans, same interior, same heating system, same cooling system, same air-ride suspension etc. as most any other Wanderlodge FC. They did evolve through the years, and newer is certainly more plush, more powerful, more expensive, etc. Having been through and under several, could you please explain, what are these significant differences? |
| Tim Gunter - 03/28/99 20:08:39 My Email:mrtimjg@aol.com Subject: bad year |
Comments: I can suggest one year wanderlodge you might steer clear if your looking for the most troule free coach that would be the 1981 model, for more than a few reasons its not like the rest of the coaches so it might be a little more diffecult to repair or have repaired. For more details just drop me a note. Good luck on your choice. |
| Brad Rath - 03/23/99 02:45:13 My Email:brath@wans.net Subject: Leaks around the windows |
Comments: Hello, I am a new owner of a fine 84 35'. My family and I just returned from our shake down trip where we encountered a real "gully washer." I was surprized by a substantial flow of water off of the top of window frame in the bedroom. There is no evid nce of previous water intrusion problems. I inspected the exterior seams, fittings and attachments pretty carefully above the leak and couldn't detect anything amiss. The drip rail is sealed with silicon that is complete and flexible. There was a small stream of water that does pass under the awning and over the rubber exterior gasket then down over the exterior of the window. I'm thinking that the gasket may be at fault but it too appears fine. Any help in troubleshooting this problem or stories of s milar experiences would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Brad Rath |
| Jeff F243393 - 03/13/99 03:41:56 My Email:jamiller@iservREMOVE.net Subject: Older Birds |
Comments: You are correct Bob, the older 'Birds are rather pokey. In '77-'79 they were almost unchanged, they were the lightest and performed perhaps a little better than the '80-'82. In 1980 the air-ride suspension was added to soften the ride and the coach starte to gain more weight. '83 was the first year for the turbo, it only gained 15hp this year, not exactly revolutionary. They will top out around 65mph, not terrible but certainly not fast. Hill climbing on my '77 was decent, it would out-climb any carburate motorhome and many later FCs. A moderate grade could be climbed at 60mph, larger ones not so. Acceleration was never a huge issue as they were geared more for this and climbing. As my local Wanderlodge mechanic always told me, "if you're in that much of a hurry, you should have left yesterday". If you have questions regarding specific features or years, feel free to e-mail me or post the question here. I will try to answer. I know of no real "bad" years. The criteria that most people use is dollars and features. The colors of the older coaches date them a bit, but this can be changed if you wish. |
| Bob - 03/09/99 14:13:57 My Email:yamaha@execpc.com Subject: Purchasing a older bird. |
Comments: I am looking for a older 1978-1983 bird for purchase. Are any given years better than others regarding value and equipment? Also, I understand birds with 3208 Cats are very slow, with a top speed of 65mph? Thanks in advance, any info is appreciated. Bob |
| Jeff aka Wonderdog - 02/25/99 01:08:15 My Email:jamiller@iservREMOVE.net Subject: '83 FC |
Comments: David: Scroll down to a 5/11/98 response for part of your answer. When looking at this (or any) motorcoach pay attention to the level of care given. These coaches should last a very long time if cared for properly, and can be expensive if not. The '83 is a nice coach, and a pretty good year. The coaches are quite heavy, and with 225-250hp and 4 speeds they are a little pokey on the up-hills. The coaches are generally indestructable, and will endure a lot of punishment as far as rough roads, hot weather, and general daily use. Have the driveline and suspension checked by a professional, preferably a Caterpillar dealer, and the rest of the systems by an competant RV technician if you aren't able to. Run all systems, from 'fridge to furnaces, and f ll the water tank to pressurize the water/check the water heater if possible. Remember that as a Blue Bird, it will last a long time, and everything is bigger and heavier. Everything is also more expensive as they are truly truck parts, so don't overlook tires, air-bags, and other items that can cost big money. Look also for a swin radiator or "dutch door". This is very useful and will cost around $900 to have installed if you decide that you need one. It could cost about half of this for a belt or hoses on the road if you don't have one. Drive it and you'll be hooked. It sure is nice to be able to travel on windy days without needing both lanes! You'll never go back. Best of luck! |
| Jeff - 02/25/99 00:48:24 My Email:jamiller@iservREMOVE.net Subject: '87 FC |
Comments: Bruce: The '87 FC differed from its predecessors in many ways, but is the same basic body. This site's "History" page tells some of the differences, and I'll try to fill in some more. The '87 saw an increase to 300hp from 250, and a 5-speed ZF transmision instead of the 4-speed Allison. The ZF trans is a good box, although the dealer/repair network isn't nearly as widespread as is allison's, and there are some problems with the ZF's el ctronic control and internal wiring, however they are fairly rare. This combination made the FC perform quite well. The '87 has the A/C units reduced from 3 to 2, and the diesel genset is relocated and reduced to an 8KW due to the reduced need with 2 A/Cs. It is now on the left side instead of next to the entry door curb-side. Other changes are largely comfort and appearance. New front and rear styling, trim, and new interior. The new interior included the new floorplan as well as nicer surfaces and colors. |
| Don - 02/23/99 21:19:42 My Email:donald.hart@ferc.us.gov Subject: Dana Cruise Control |
Comments: Jeff aka Wonderdog-Miss you on Bus Conversions BB Rostra Corp. 910-276-4853 bought out Dana Cruise Control and claims they can replace with all electronic for about $140. |
| David Kay - 02/23/99 16:03:49 My Email:djsjhk4@worldnet.att.net Subject: 83 FC Wanderlodge 35' |
Comments: My wife and I are going to retire in about two years. We have a 27' Pace Arrow that we have put 100,000 miles on in the last 3 years. We would like to get a larger Coach and go to Diesel. We are looking at a 83 FC 35' and would Appreciate any comments go d and bad about this Coach. We are Life Good Sam members and FMCA Members F213590 and will never be without a MotorHome ever!! Thank you in advance for your help. |
| Bruce Borneman - 02/23/99 03:53:43 My Email:borneman@grantspass.com Subject: Searching for a good coach |
Comments: I have been the proud owner of a 35' 1978 FC with 210 hp N/A CAT. I have sold the unit and am looking to move up a few years. I am unsure about the differences between something in the '83-'86 age vs an'87. I know the '87 has the 300 hp engine and relo ated bathroom floor plan. From what I can tell, they are also considerably more expensive. I am not sure what some of the other differences might be. If anyone has researched this or experienced a coach in both age groups, I would enjoy hearing your th ughts. Also, if anyone knows of a good used coach for sale, please let me know. I would hope to find something that is mechanically sound, but as I remodeled our '78 interior front to back, I an not all that worried about the inside as long as electrical plumbing and propane systems are functional. Thanks for the opportunity to ask these questions. |
| Jeff - 02/19/99 17:04:35 My Email:jamiller@iserv.net Subject: steering |
Comments: Bert: This coach should steer quite well if all of the steering is tight, and the alignment is correct. The alignment must be to Wanderlodge specs, not Blue-Bird bus specs. Also, more pressure in the front tires will help with response. Most of all, remember that a 12' tall coach will not respond immediately to small steering input. Give a small correction and wait a second or two, don't saw at the wheel. |
| Bert Moll - 02/14/99 02:24:03 My Email:coolmolls@jps.net Subject: steering characteristics |
Comments: We just purchased a 1984 Bluebird Wanderlodge. We were driving the coach (35ft) home & we noticed the coach seemed to "wander" or float off to the right(to the shoulder)side of the road. I tried to correct by steering back to the left but it didn't track back as soon as I thought it should. We had the under carriage inspected & the only problem visible was play in bushings in left side control arms on steering axle. Would that affect coach going off to right? Anyone with other possibilities, or is this experienced by others, or just something one has to learn as a driving technique? Thanks Bert Moll Cool,Ca. |
| Tim Gunter - 02/04/99 01:35:30 My Email:mrtimjg@aol.com Subject: assistance |
Comments: My name is Tim Gunter,and I just thought I'd drop a note to let any who might need Bluebird technical assistance,or a repair facility, that we at Southeast RV & Satellite Service are experinced in all types of repairs and updates. I, personally, have been working on Wanderlodges since 1974,and am quite familar with their systems. Also with this e-mail address can attempt to help with problems online. My address is mrtimjg@aol.com Thanks, Tim |
| Jeff - 01/21/99 21:57:22 My Email:jamiller@iservREMOVE.net Subject: Dana Cruise Control |
Comments: I have no specific information. Mine stopped working because the electric vacuum pump died. I am considering replacing the unit with a newer air operated unit (about $350 installed) because the vacuum pump is no longer available anyway. Good luck beyond that, perhaps a Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth dealer could help you if you had the numbers off of the unit, they used the same unit for a lot of years. |
| Paul Downey - 01/21/99 20:32:06 My Email:antique405@aol.com Subject: Dana criuse control |
Comments: Does any one have trouble shooting information an the Dana vacuum operated unit. My manual has info on the air unit an BB does not have information on the vacuum unit. |
| Paul Downey - 01/21/99 20:29:09 My Email:antique405@aol.com Subject: criuse control |
Comments: Does anyone have the trouble shooting information for a vacuum operated Dana unit an my 83 pt35. My manual has information on the air unit. B B does not have any information on this unit.l |
| Jeff - 01/21/99 13:45:15 My Email:jamiller@iservREMOVE.net Subject: Morse Landing Lights |
Comments: These landing lights are available at any airport with a parts department, a marine store such as West Marine (www.westmarine.com), Blue Bird (800-992-6337 Dean or Kenny can help you with dis-assembly instructions) or my personal favorite, Holland Motorho es (800-221-7197 / 616-396-1461, Ken in parts or Mike in service). These lights are still produced and are used on a variety of equipment. The bulbs might also be found at a construction equipment dealer as work lights. |
| Mike - 01/18/99 17:14:09 My Email:mbulriss@datapoint.com Subject: Morse Landing Lights |
Comments: I have a 1983 PT40 with the Morse Landing Lights on the side. Anyone know how to find the manufacturer? One of the GE bulbs went out. I removed the Morse housing and the retaining ring for the bulb. The removable housing for the bulb is corroded in an won't come out. Two questions: 1-Any ideas on how to separate the bulb housing from the external housing without too much destruction? 2-Any idea what the GE bulb part number is and where to find one? Thanks for any input. |
| Bill Hudson - 01/14/99 01:33:57 My Email:wdhjr28@aol.com Subject: Power Steering Leak |
Comments: I have an '82FC 33 with, I believe, a Ross HF64 power steering unit. The PS unit has a leak. I understand that Ross is no longer around. Does anyone know if there are any seal kits available anywhere for this unit? Thanks. Bill |
| Jeff - 12/16/98 18:00:41 My Email:jamiller@iserv.net Subject: tape stripes |
Comments: There is bad news, and worse news. The bad news is that the cracks will show through. The worse news is that the stripes are a pain to remove, literally. My fingers hurt for days. I tried a 3M stripe remover tool which is a series of rubber disks sandwitched together on an arbor. You run this in an electric drill or equivalent. The local Wanderlodge dealer told me that this would work, it did not. I bought 3M Woodgrain remover and 3M Woodgrain Adheasive remover. These products worked, but it took a lot. The woodgrain remover sprays on from an aerosol can and forms a kind of a gel, so that it stays on vertical surfaces. I had to use a lot of this a d re-apply many times to get the woodgrain to soften enough to remove with a putty-knife. I did mar the paint with the putty knife a couple of times using this product. The adheasive remover comes next and removes (slowly again) the adheasive. This is a v ry expensive method as I used it on about 18' of one side and used 2 cans of each product (about $50 for the four cans if I remember correctly). All of these products should be available at an auto-parts supplier who sells body-shop supplies. On the rest of the coach, I used a Milwaukee heat gun (it cost less than 8 more cans of remover) and a putty knife with slightly rounded corners. The trick was to heat the metal, without overheating it. If you seriously overheat the metal, it could buckl permanently. I found that the old stripe had a very small temperature range where it was hot enough to bend and pull off, and above this range it would simply stretch and tear. Starting a new chunk to pull would hurt as you had to work with your hands in the heat. It was also June when I did this. Keeping the putty-knife blade warm also helped. When I was finished I replaced the stripe with a nice 3-color metallic vinyl stripe from a local truck graphics supplier to match the (new) interior colors. It really updated the coach and was much cheaper than a new woodgrain stripe. Well worth the effo t. I then matched one of the colors with the panel over the windshield and had graphics printed to stick up there, again the price is reasonable. The stripping process took several whole days, application of the new stripes was a breeze. |
| jay - 12/16/98 02:37:20 My Email:gobers@wf.net Subject: tape on exterior |
Comments: Has anyone found a good way to replace the tape strips on the exterior of an older BB. It would apear that pulling it off will take paint and all. The old tape is cracked. I was wondering if new tape could be applied over the old and if the cracks in the old would show thru the new. Any experiences with this or suggestions? |
| Henry Pozzuoli - 12/15/98 01:56:05 My Email:hpozz33@erols.com Subject: fuel leak |
Comments: I have a 1983 turbo 225hp Cat 3208. It leaks fuel out a plastic vent tube that comes off an elbow near the shut off solinod that is mounted on top of the injector pump. I have replaced the gaskets and the small seal on the shut off shaft twice. Don't know were to go from here? Does anyone have info about what else could cause this condition. |
| wrench - 12/13/98 17:07:59 My Email:metricwrench Subject: front& rear panel |
Comments: Just bought a 76 B.B. who been sitting and the two roof panel next to the front&rear cap are rusted out, It's look like they were not galvanize.I am in Miami area. Any one got a Idea how to fix that? thanks for any input Henry |
| Terry Freeman - 12/05/98 19:09:49 My Email:freefamily@yahoo.com Subject: 12v noise filter |
Comments: My '82 35fc has a white box under the port couch. BB tells me it is a 12v noise filter. It shorted out and almost caught fire. Anybody have an alternative? BB want $368. for a replacement. |
| Duane Budd - 12/03/98 22:18:43 My Email:dbudd@planetc.com Subject: Intertherm Roof Air |
Comments: Intertherm was bought out by Dometic, according to Bluebird Parts Dept. Dometic discontinued the line (goody!) and have not parts. They referred me to another company who had compressor parts and such, but no trim parts. I am looking for the plastic parts for the interior - specifically the access door to the controls and the plastic grill that supports the intake air filter. Does anyone know a source for these parts? Thanks for any help. |
| Brian Johnson - 11/27/98 23:35:24 My Email:johnsob@tcdsb.on.ca Subject: Draining the Hot Water Tank |
Comments: I have an '82 FC rear bath model. I want to by-pass the hot water tank for winterizing purposes. For some reason, I'm having trouble locating the proper valve to do this. Any suggestions would be appreciated. |
| Stuart Carter - 11/17/98 15:16:00 My Email:krypton7@ix.netcom.com Subject: replacing Cat 3208 |
Comments: I'ld like to upgrade my 1983 33'FC Wanderlodge with a more powerful motor. Currently, the Bluebird has a 3208 turbo generating 250 HP. Does anyone have any ideas on getting more power out of this motor? Short of this, what would be the best step up for a better powerplant? Who does it? How much? Any responses are appreciated. |
| Dan Bakita - 11/11/98 16:43:38 My Email:gbakita@remc12.k12.mi.us Subject: 31' FC Wanderlodge |
Comments: We;re looking for a clean, low milage, well-maintained 31' FC 1985-1989. Does anyone know how many were manufactured? Is anyone considering to sell their coach? thanks |
| tom moeller - 11/02/98 04:31:49 My Email:lmoeller@peachnet.campus.mci.net Subject: engine change |
Comments: i have a 1978 35 foot forward control with a 427 gas motor allison 4 speed auto.does any one know if a 3208 would fit or what it would take to change to diesel power.thanks in advance |
| Jeff - 10/26/98 13:21:42 My Email:jamillerATiservDOTnet Subject: restoration |
Comments: Leaf springs will give a little stiffer ride than does the air ride. The leaf springs do seem to have somewhat better control however, and don't bounce as much. |
| jay - 10/23/98 02:14:42 My Email:gobers@wf.net Subject: restoration |
Comments: I'm looking at purchasing 1980 FC that needs work on the interior. Is there anyone in the central to north central part of Texas that works on older birds for a resonable price. Also, what are other concerns with the 1980 FC that I need to be aware of. This bird has a 3208T cat and appears to be in o.k. mechanical condition. It does have leaf springs rather than air, is this a big problem? Thanks for help. |
| WD - 10/15/98 12:59:03 My Email:jamiller@iserv.net Subject: Water Heater |
Comments: Dan: Your stock water heater has a "motoraid" heat exchanger to use engine heat to heat your water. The heater should hold heat adequately for a shower the next morning. If this is not sufficient, you can replace your current water heater with a propane m del relatively easily. Your propane supply is already there for the rear furnace, the water lines are of course there, and you will need to cut a hole through the side of the coach for the air intake and exhaust. Measure carefully for the access panel on he outside of the coach and remember to leave clearance for opening your bay door below. West Marine and Camping World have decent water heater prices. I suggest retaining the "motoraid" water heat exchanger that it already has. |
| Dan Wise - 10/14/98 01:20:42 My Email:wisedan@usa.net Subject: Propane Hot Water |
Comments: I want to "boondock" in a 1980 FC35. It currently has the electric water heater (maybe they all do). Can it be replaced with a propane heater (or dual heat unit)? How difficult would it be to do so? Thanks. Dan |
| WD - 10/13/98 12:25:18 My Email:jamiller@iserv.net Subject: Wet Weight |
Comments: I believe that a 1980 35FC should weigh about 26k-28k wet. The GVW should be around 36k. Look on the plate on the steering column, or over the windshield for GVW, and a truck scale should be able to weigh you. The simple answer is that you can carry more han a Winnebago can tow. |
| Henry Pozzuoli - 10/11/98 03:31:56 My Email:hpozz33@erols.com Subject: Shop Manuals |
Comments: Could someone tell be were I could purchase a shop manual for a 1983 FC 33. I have been going through each system on this new to me coach. The owners manual is not very helpful. The techs at Blue Bird are great but I cant keep calling for every little thi g. Used or new manual if anyone has any info please email me. Thanks |
| Robert Bland - 10/10/98 21:21:51 My Email:bob@quotesmith.com Subject: 1980 Water pump power source |
Comments: I can't figure out where the 12v. power comes from for the water pump located in the bathroom. The 1980 manual is silent on this item. Is there a fuse somewhere? My water pump suddenly stopped working and my plumber says it's because power was lost som where. Where do I look? Many thanks! Bob Bland, Darien, IL bob@quotesmith.com |
| Dan - 10/09/98 19:40:56 My Email:wisedan@usa.net Subject: Wet Weight - 1980FC |
Comments: Does anyone know what the average wet weight (fuel, water, propane and coach) is for the FC35 in 1980? Also, the GVWR? I'm curious how much you can reasonably carry in one of these coaches. Thanks. |
| Tom Ward - 10/06/98 20:08:13 My Email:homaswa@netrox.net Subject: Steering on 1979 Wonderlodge |
Comments: Has anyone been able to reduce the amount of play in the steering aprox. 4" right and left when turning. |
| Wonderdog - 09/29/98 12:04:22 My Email:jamiller@iserv.net Subject: Flooring Choices |
Comments: I went through the same process for the same reasons. I decided to use carpet anyway for the noise reduction. I also replaced the pad with a heavy-weight convoluted rubber pad which reduced the sound level immensely. A dense, high-quality (and not white) arpet will clean easily. Although there are several laminate floors which mount on a foam substrate to help reduce vibration transmission, they will not absorb any of the noise in the coach. Carpet has a wonderful quality for absorbing the noise. If you d go the laminate route, choose one which "floats" on the foam substrate, and carry rugs and non-slip pads. You can experiment with placement of rugs in noise "hot spots" like one would in a sound room, and reduce a fair amount. Best of luck. |
| Luisa - 09/28/98 23:54:09 My Email:thomaswa@netrox.net Subject: flooring choices |
Comments: We just purchased a 1979 XV wonderlodge. We have removed the old carpet and flooring and wanted to install something easy to clean. (We have young kids) We were thinking of the laminate floors. We are concerned about the noise and vibrations. Does any ne have any suggestions? We want to avoid carpeting. Thank you |
| Tom - 09/15/98 23:53:39 My Email:tedelman@mail.netacc.net Subject: '82 info |
Comments: Do you know how many '82 PT-35's were made? |
| R.Schwendler - 08/31/98 01:37:56 My Email:schwendler@worldlynx.net Subject: AC Power Selector switch |
Comments: I have a 1989 WB40 . the box where the AC Selector switch was filled with water. The lower switch was rusted and fell appart. The factory wants $654. for a new one. In 1990 the switch was modified to be automatic. It only cost $252. Is there an alternate solution? Can I install the new switch? It is not the same size. Dich Schwendler vb582 |
| John Fahnestock - 08/28/98 17:14:30 My Email:jmfjr@bellsouth.net Subject: Dash Air Cond Upgrade |
Comments: My 1985 PT engine driven air conditioning leaks through the flex hoses that run the length of the coach,enough to require several pounds of F12 every year. The factory fix is to replace the flex hoses with new design nylon core hoses that don't leak. They go under and through the coach so the lines are invisible. Another way is to go up thru the rear of the coach in the vicinity of the air intake and run the lines forward just inside the roof rack. Does anyone have any experience on this? I sure would like to hear from you. Thanks, John |
| Stan F. - 08/09/98 03:40:09 My Email:iidr@sgi.net Subject: RPM VS SPEED |
Comments: I will be a "new owner" of a used FC coach shortly and I'm trying to learn as much as I can. For what purpose has the rpm vs speed table been posted on this site? I know there must be a good reason. Would somebody kindly tell me what it is? Yhanks Stan F. |
| andy seltzer - 08/01/98 12:43:48 My Email:freepress@rockisland.com Subject: 1967 model |
Comments: not much talk on your board about the earlier models. i've got one from '67 in good shape. any idea of the monetary value? thanks. |
| don jones - 08/01/98 00:30:06 My Email:djones75@bellsouth.net Subject: info on newer birds |
Comments: i'm interested in buyig a mid 90's bird. is their a site or contact on the web with info similar to the vintage site??? |
| Wonderdog - 07/28/98 16:57:06 My Email:jamillerATiservDOTnet Subject: FC Power |
Comments: Jeff, I had considered the same on my first Wanderlodge project. The FC came with 210hp, 225hp, 250hp, and 300hp Caterpillar 3208s. The same Allison trans was used up to 250hp and a ZF 5-speed on the 300hp leading me to believe that the Allison MT-643 was 't adequate for the power, it might have been just for a 5th gear as the Allison 643 is a 4sp. Caterpillar has told me that I'd pay about $6500 exchange for my good 210hp to the 250hp turbo, plus labor. The rear-axle ratio (5.29:1 in the non-turbo/pre 1983) will still limit you to 67mph. The turbo coaches turned a 4.88:1 and taller ratio which will save fuel or let you run faster (not both, obviously) for about $800 exchange plus labor. |
| Scott Miller - 07/24/98 19:54:09 My Email:erthpro@earthlink.net Subject: Engine/drivetrain swap |
Comments: I am looking at a '81 BB with 3208 power. My question is this. Is there an engine that can be installed in this coach that will substantially improve the performance over the 3208? If anyone has knowledge of any conversions, including transmission, rear e d, etc., please contact me. Thanking you in advance, Scott Miller |
| Dave Wilson - 07/24/98 00:41:32 My Email:river_rd@yahoo.com Subject: Floor Plans |
Comments: I'm interested in the pusher Birds, late 80's-early 90's. What are the differences (other than length) in the PT36/38&40 ? Does anyone have floorplans they can post on the web? Dave W |
| Brian - 07/06/98 16:04:13 My Email:johnsob@mssb.edu.on.ca |
Comments: I have an 82 bird with an air dump problem. When I dump the air from the bags, it takes quite a while for the coach to settle down. The reverse is also true. I've been wondering whether this is typical of the 82 coach or not. Has anyone any advice or expe ience with this? Much appreciated! |
| Nick Noecker - 07/04/98 17:39:44 My Email:noecker@wt.net Subject: Dash A/C |
Comments: Has anyone converted their R12 system and if so what did they use and what did it cost. Interested in Cat 3208 mounted compressor with roof mounted condenser. Any info will be much appreciated. Nick Noecker noecker@wt.net |
| Ralph L. Fullenwider - 06/25/98 21:31:59 My Email:rlf@ionet.net Subject: differentials (drive train) |
Comments: Hello to all: I have an '85 FC with 250 turbo 3208, and have to have my foot flat on the floor to get 65 to 68 mph. the gear ratio is 4:88. I was wondering if a split differential could be put in with say 4:11 (high side) and 5:13 (low side) could be installed? Has an one done this, or is it advisable to do so? Thank you in advance for any info. Be well and may God blees and keep. Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider "Dream 35" |
| Wonderdog - 06/05/98 16:57:54 My Email:jamillerATiservDOTnet Subject: '83 PT35 |
Comments: Bumper, I might have looked at that same unit. If it is, it has now been traded in. Any systems that didn't work were simply disconnected and abandoned. Bad sign. A couple of comments: I understand that the '83 pusher had a steering design flaw. This, I'm told is due to the large drop between the steering box, and the front axle. There is a fix, an expensive one, which moves the box down. You should check in to this more as I'm not sure of the details, and also see if the coach has the fix already. The one that I looked at doesn't. A local diesel shop tells me that 250k miles is old for a 6v92, and the block could be stretched and not re-buildable. Have the driveline checked thoroughly! A rule of thumb is: when the parts that you see have been abused or neg ected, the parts that you don't see have also. This is the scarey part. I've just finished a restoration on a well kept older bird, and the difference in work necessary is huge. Be certain that you are stealing this rig if it is trashed, it will then be w rth your time. |
| Bumper - 06/04/98 04:35:26 My Email:deerfieldfarm@vallnet.com Subject: '83 PT35 |
Comments: I have found a vintage bird that needs a lot of care, new paint, and interior my question is this, I've been told that early 80's birds tend to WANDER around on the road. Is this true and if so can a new steering box be installed to fix the problems? Can ny body give me a guesstimate on the cost, generally speaking of course as to the cost of maintaining this coach? Thanks for any responce, almost a vintage bird owner. |
| Wonderdog - 05/11/98 13:33:52 My Email:jamillerATiservDOTnet Subject: 83 FC33 |
Comments: Easy question, tough answer. The headliner is probably sagging due to a water leak. The headliner replacement can be a big job depending on where it is and what else has to be removed. The bigger quiestion might be whether the leak is repaired (properly) and what other damage might e ist. The dash and stripe are cosmetic, you decide what they're worth and get estimates. The co-pilot seat is likely an electrical problem, there is an air powered lock that holds the seat in place, it could simply be sticky. Bigger concerns would be things like drive-train and suspension, etc. If there are records on the maintenance of the coach, get them and look them over. If an engine survey hasn't recently been done, get one. An oil analysis is also a good idea and can be had fairly cheaply from Caterpillar or Detroit Diesel. A truck stop could probably help you on this if there isn't a local dealer. You could usually have the filters changed and sample the oil at this time, it is helpful to know the mileage on the oil. If you don't have maintenance records, it can cost an easy thousand to have fluids changed and adjustments. Does the dashboard light? This can cost thousands to fix. Do all gauges work? Are air-bags OK? tires? It is worth the time and money to drive the coac to a reputable dealer, possibly a truck/bus dealer also, to get a knowledgable check-up. Run all systems including the water and water heater. These coaches are excellent quality, safe and reliable, but a seriously neglected coach can cost a fortune to s raighten out. Best of luck, to e-mail me, replace the AT with @ and the DOT with . |
| Henry Pozzuoli - 05/10/98 18:00:00 My Email:hpozz33@erols.com Subject: 83 FC33 |
Comments: Very quiet page. I have found a 1983 FC33 That may be purchased at a resonable price but has a few problems, head liner that is sagging, co-pilot seat that will not move to the left and a passenger side dash that has seen to much sun and needs to be recov red and an upper exterior stripe that is peeling. Big problems --little ones??????? Engine drive tran sound good-input please |
| Kenneth Coan - 04/25/98 12:34:57 My Email:viqz@juno.com Subject: l990 and up Blue Birds |
Comments: I am interested on Blue Birds l990 and newer. Is there a page for newer coaches? Could you please e mail me the address please. Thank you! |
| Henry Pozzuoli - 04/18/98 12:37:53 My Email:hpozz33@erols.com Subject: FC33 low height |
Comments: I have been looking for a replacement for the familys GMC Kingsley 1981,82,83 and 84 31 and 33 FC bluebirds have are what we would like as a replacement. Our garage has an 11' door a we have been trying to find out what the height of such a coach is whe the air is dumped out of the suspension system and can the pump be disabled long enough to back the bird in the garage. Thank you for your help Henry Pozzuoli |
| Bill - 04/05/98 03:01:17 My Email:wdhjr28@aol.com Subject: "82FC |
Comments: I am looking into buying an "82 FC and need advice as to pros and cons of this unit, what to look for, what to expect in way of performance, etc. It's located in another town and I have not seen it yet. It's low mileage, been unused for several years but ecently totally gone over mechanically and partially refurbished inside. What can I expect from this unit as to weight carrying capacity, performance at altitude in the western US, etc. I will be new to motorhoming as you can probably tell but am very in erested in an older Wanderlodge. Thanks for any advice. Bill. |
| Harrell Browning - 03/28/98 23:06:08 My Email:hbrowning@interconnect.net Subject: Web address for Vintage Birds |
Comments: I cannot find the address of the Vintage Birds www site. The problem I have with viewing it through the FMÇÅ site is that it is a very small window and I to scroll a lot to get the information I am wanting. Thanks. |
| Harrell Browning - 03/28/98 22:48:59 My Email:hbrowning@interconnect.net Subject: Shower Hot Water Mixer |
Comments: With my 81 FC I removed and replaced the hot/cold mixer. That did nothing. I noticed a brass or copper plug about 3/4 inch in diameter and removed it. Inside was a stainless (maybe industrial chrome) cylinder which had o-rings. Inside this part is ano her, machined part, which could be moved around inside with a small screw driver. I placed the whole piece in vinegar and let it soak. I then cleaned it so that the inside piece would freely move the full distance of the outside piece, then squirted all of it with lithium grease, put new o-rings on and reinstalled the thing. I then reinstalled the mixer with its o-rings and the thing worked fine. It does not seem logical to me but it worked. If you would like give me a call. 512-855-1940 |
| Warren Cook - 03/19/98 20:45:49 My Email:Hotfoot2@aol.com Subject: driving an anchor |
Comments: I know that driving a 1979 FC/NA 3208 cat - equipped 33' should be slow enough(65mph downhill with the wind behind)...Any suggestions as to the weight of a drop car to tow behind? |
| Jerry - 03/15/98 04:22:51 My Email:jerryws@olywanet Subject: Vacuum Cleaner Bags |
Comments: HELP! Looking for vacuum cleaner bags to fit a Model CV-612 Cental Vac. We have a 1984 Wanderlodge BlueBird and Central Vac is no longer in business. Anyone out there with a bag number that will replace a CV-624 Disposable Bag and where can we order th m? Your help appreciated. Thanks. |
| Terry Freeman - 03/13/98 20:58:57 My Email:freefamily@yahoo.com Subject: which bird |
Comments: I am considering a used 33fc or 35fc. Does anyone have comment on particular years/models/equipment/ that I should look for or stay away from. How many miles is a typical CAT3208 good for. Problems to whats for, etc. Any help, much appreciated. THANKS |
| - 03/08/98 13:14:53 My Email:HBIGE86583 @AOL.COM Subject: FUEL TANK |
Comments: Help? I have a 76 bird and have to replace the fuel tank does anyone have info as to where to buy one new or used HBIGE86583@AOL.COM |
| Warren Cook - 03/04/98 23:07:42 My Email:Hotfoot2@aol.com Subject: Hot water mix valve |
Comments: Ok; a while back I asked if there was any fix for no hot water coming from the shower hot water mixer valve...Someone e-mailed me that the same thing had happened to him after winterizing, and that he fixed the problem with high pressure air...I tried tha and it did not work, so I pulled the stove, attacked and removed the old valve, and replaced it with a much cheaper mixer valve that did not have a built-in pressure equilizer...Then, to avoid problems with the differential between hot water, which self- ressurizes, and cold water that works from the pump, I installed a pressure tank at 45 lbs to pressurize the system close to that found in houses...Works great! |
| - 02/26/98 02:48:08 My Email:HBige86583 Subject: fuel tank |
Comments: I have a 1976 bird,we have to replace the fuel tank,150 gal.Any info available would be of such help to us.Do we purchase a used one?Do we have to have one specially made? If so where? Please help us if possible...HBige86583 |
| Ike Jones - 01/29/98 20:00:21 My Email:secjone@hamptonu.edu Subject: rear view monitor for '85FC |
Comments: I would like to upgrade my rearview monitor and make it look as close to factory install as possible. Second, I would like to install an auxillary tranny oil cooler. Cannot figure where to locate the cooling unit. Help!! |
| Chet Warfel - 01/19/98 02:37:17 My Email:cwarfel@compuserve.com Subject: headroom |
Comments: I'm 6"8 and wondering what these vintage birds have as interior headroom. Any models available with king sized beds? Thanks! |
| George Gavaletz - 01/01/98 03:38:21 My Email:bushbabies@compuserve.com Subject: Par water pump |
Comments: The Par pump has a two stage rubber diaphram in the top. It's possible you wore a small hole in it from running dry. Simply remove the screws on the top of the unit. The entire top lifts off. A replacement diaphram can be purchased for about $10.00 at Cam ing World or high end supply store. It's really simple to do. Good Luck |
| John - 12/28/97 22:41:08 My Email:jhollon@icanect.net Subject: Par water pump |
Comments: Has anyone out there ever let their Par water pump "run dry"? I inadvertently let mine run for over an hour and now it won't pump water. Any suggestions as to what I need to do or replace? |
| Warren Cook - 12/12/97 03:05:15 My Email:Hotfoot2@aol.com Subject: Shower valve |
Comments: I just purchased a 79 33' 'Bird...The people that owned it used it for day trips (164K miles) only, and NEVER used the shower...I cannot get any hot water in that shower...I have removed the stove (central bath) and checked that the mix valves are open... ot water gets to the hot/cold mixer, but no hot water comes out, even when the valve has its core removed...Bluebird tells me that the hot/cold valve is not removeable for replacement,without having to cut into the shower stall and go at it from that side |
| r. schaefer - 12/11/97 16:20:47 My Email:rschaef4@mail.state.wi.us Subject: converter/chargers |
Comments: I'm not sure if my triad-utrad converter/chargers are working. Does anyone know how to test these? Also, where can I get replacements if needed. Used would be nice as these are expensive. |
| Bob McGee - 12/01/97 21:37:48 Subject: Equal |
Comments: I have used Equal in two Motorhomes now, and have found it to be an excellant product. One warning is that you must use your own air to fill or maintain your tire pressure, as Equal will clump like cat litter if moisture gets in it. If you change tires yo can scoup it out and re-use it. It is best when installed by a dealer that has the installation injector. Such as where I get my Equal (Josam Frame and Alignment, Orl.,FL 407-438-7020) It cost about 20.00/wheel and continously rebalances for the life of he tire. Alot of truckers use this Stuff. I got fed up with adhessive wheel weights coming off and the need to rebalance at about the tires half life. Also if your in Orlando Fla. have an Alignment done by Josam they know Birds well, and use a diffrerent ystem to align that is far superior to Hunter and such. Used by Mercedes, Freightliner, Spartan (at the factory). Tel them Uncle Bob sent you! |
| John Hollon - 11/12/97 02:57:21 My Email:jhollon@icanect.net Subject: Leak in leveling jack |
Comments: Has anyone ever had to repair a leak in a leveling jack? Is it a "do it yourself project" or should it be done by a pro? |
| Jake G. - 11/01/97 01:30:24 Subject: Equal - for Tires |
Comments: Have been reading some and have heard a little about using "Equal" for use in heavy duty tires ... like those on Birds. Supposed to be the "end all" for tire balance problems. Sounds too good to be true. Any first hand experience ... Good OR bad. I hat to spend good $$$ for a "quack" idea. Thanks for any help. JG |
| E. Ranson - 10/28/97 01:24:06 Subject: Battery Hydrocaps |
Comments: Anybody know anything about "Hydrocaps" - battery caps that capture and recycle battery water. They are suppose to custom make each order to fit your battery. |